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	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Open Source Cinema by Rowan</title>
		<link>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/open-source-cinema/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure if I completely agree with you.

Think of Wikipedia, if someone described that concept to me before it had been proven I would never have thought it could be what it is.

Programming and building apps isn't a completely mechanical process. If that were true the only OS we would have would be Windows. There is a huge amount of interpretational thought in the development of functionality and the overall usability of a product . Not only that but there are different ways to reach a functioning point, some of them infinitely more elegant than others.

Writing movies isn't such a mystical art, especially when genres and other such established structures are involved.

There is information in terms of characters, scenes which can be derived from possible actions and relationships between those characters (also with respect to themes etc), functionality in terms of the believability of their actions, their entertainment value, and the elegance with which the overall picture is structured.

One of the greatest skills for a writer to learn is anticipating what will be enjoyed by an audience, which also comes from their own sense of enjoyment in what they are writing and how that connects with other people. 

Often I think people are much more inclined to nurture bad ideas in private, bringing things into a collaborative environment with other critical enthusiasts could actually help speed up the process of weeding out lame ideas..

People are also often much better at picking from other peoples ideas and developing them than with their own where they might not have such an easy sense of objectivity.

The main motivation for trying to apply the principles of open source to artistic process is the idea that the motivation behind open source is the pursuit of quality ahead of intellectual property, individual notions of authorship, and commerce.. this is really invaluable I think..

Of course there are some kinds of movies that would never arise from this sort of process, but I still believe it could be a possible way of working that could yield good results..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if I completely agree with you.</p>
<p>Think of Wikipedia, if someone described that concept to me before it had been proven I would never have thought it could be what it is.</p>
<p>Programming and building apps isn&#8217;t a completely mechanical process. If that were true the only OS we would have would be Windows. There is a huge amount of interpretational thought in the development of functionality and the overall usability of a product . Not only that but there are different ways to reach a functioning point, some of them infinitely more elegant than others.</p>
<p>Writing movies isn&#8217;t such a mystical art, especially when genres and other such established structures are involved.</p>
<p>There is information in terms of characters, scenes which can be derived from possible actions and relationships between those characters (also with respect to themes etc), functionality in terms of the believability of their actions, their entertainment value, and the elegance with which the overall picture is structured.</p>
<p>One of the greatest skills for a writer to learn is anticipating what will be enjoyed by an audience, which also comes from their own sense of enjoyment in what they are writing and how that connects with other people. </p>
<p>Often I think people are much more inclined to nurture bad ideas in private, bringing things into a collaborative environment with other critical enthusiasts could actually help speed up the process of weeding out lame ideas..</p>
<p>People are also often much better at picking from other peoples ideas and developing them than with their own where they might not have such an easy sense of objectivity.</p>
<p>The main motivation for trying to apply the principles of open source to artistic process is the idea that the motivation behind open source is the pursuit of quality ahead of intellectual property, individual notions of authorship, and commerce.. this is really invaluable I think..</p>
<p>Of course there are some kinds of movies that would never arise from this sort of process, but I still believe it could be a possible way of working that could yield good results..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Source Cinema by Hansel Dunlop</title>
		<link>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/open-source-cinema/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Hansel Dunlop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/open-source-cinema/#comment-6</guid>
		<description>I think applying open source philosophy to artistic projects is always going to be problematic. 

And why is that? Well because software engineering is, to a large extent, an OBJECTIVE process. A bit of code works or it doesn't. A contribution from a participant is either functional or buggy. A submitted patch either fixes a bug or it doesn't. The real value in open source is usually that your users are also helping to fix specific problems in your software. 

Creating an artistic work is a subjective exercise. Taking a script as an example. One person's problem with the script could be considered the best bit by another and there is no way of objectively selecting between them. 

People have been trying to do collaborative fiction for ages and none of it, that I've seen, is very interesting. 

On the other hand, individuals mashing things up and performing that kind of activity is perfectly feasible. Which I think is why it's already flourished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think applying open source philosophy to artistic projects is always going to be problematic. </p>
<p>And why is that? Well because software engineering is, to a large extent, an OBJECTIVE process. A bit of code works or it doesn&#8217;t. A contribution from a participant is either functional or buggy. A submitted patch either fixes a bug or it doesn&#8217;t. The real value in open source is usually that your users are also helping to fix specific problems in your software. </p>
<p>Creating an artistic work is a subjective exercise. Taking a script as an example. One person&#8217;s problem with the script could be considered the best bit by another and there is no way of objectively selecting between them. </p>
<p>People have been trying to do collaborative fiction for ages and none of it, that I&#8217;ve seen, is very interesting. </p>
<p>On the other hand, individuals mashing things up and performing that kind of activity is perfectly feasible. Which I think is why it&#8217;s already flourished.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Zealanders petition for the right to hit their children by Lyn</title>
		<link>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-5</guid>
		<description>I love this post - it's such a lucid comment on the issue.  I think it's interesting that some people are so outraged by the idea that what happens behind closed doors in the privacy of the "family" might be subject to intervention from the outside - in the form of " the law" or interpellation by the police.  This used to apply to women also - it used to be legal for husbands to rape and beat their wives.  And legislative changes that make this fully unacceptable, and changes to the power that police have to enforce prosecution have been extremely important to changing the way that people view these kinds of activities.  It's only one step - people outside of violent relationships still won't intervene and those within may not ask for help, but as a society we're clear about what's right.  And I don't see people attempting to make violence of women within the family legal again.  Granted, women within marriage are now regarded as autonomous adults in a way that children simply can't be either philosophically or legally, but the idea that physical violence is an unacceptable mode of interaction between people who are intimate is something that seems intuitive - as Rowan says, "how is this view not mainstream?"  Perniciously I think it actually is - but we're being held to account over the anti-smacking bill by a few people who have a really knee-jerk reaction to the intervention into their "privacy" that I mentioned at the start of this comment, and for reasons that are probably to do with their own political and personal positionality.  I have to assume that Rowan is such a lucid commentator on this particular legislative change because he has no kids and is thus not directly affected by it except as a member of the society to which it applies.  Which is interesting.  I'm not letting that change the fact that I agree with him 110 though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post - it&#8217;s such a lucid comment on the issue.  I think it&#8217;s interesting that some people are so outraged by the idea that what happens behind closed doors in the privacy of the &#8220;family&#8221; might be subject to intervention from the outside - in the form of &#8221; the law&#8221; or interpellation by the police.  This used to apply to women also - it used to be legal for husbands to rape and beat their wives.  And legislative changes that make this fully unacceptable, and changes to the power that police have to enforce prosecution have been extremely important to changing the way that people view these kinds of activities.  It&#8217;s only one step - people outside of violent relationships still won&#8217;t intervene and those within may not ask for help, but as a society we&#8217;re clear about what&#8217;s right.  And I don&#8217;t see people attempting to make violence of women within the family legal again.  Granted, women within marriage are now regarded as autonomous adults in a way that children simply can&#8217;t be either philosophically or legally, but the idea that physical violence is an unacceptable mode of interaction between people who are intimate is something that seems intuitive - as Rowan says, &#8220;how is this view not mainstream?&#8221;  Perniciously I think it actually is - but we&#8217;re being held to account over the anti-smacking bill by a few people who have a really knee-jerk reaction to the intervention into their &#8220;privacy&#8221; that I mentioned at the start of this comment, and for reasons that are probably to do with their own political and personal positionality.  I have to assume that Rowan is such a lucid commentator on this particular legislative change because he has no kids and is thus not directly affected by it except as a member of the society to which it applies.  Which is interesting.  I&#8217;m not letting that change the fact that I agree with him 110 though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Zealanders petition for the right to hit their children by Rowan</title>
		<link>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-4</guid>
		<description>Hi, I can't find the example you mention, could you be more specific?

As I understand it there is no new law being drafted, they are repealing a section of the law because it had let serious offenders off the hook.

The &lt;a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/campaigns/section59/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Green party post their policy here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I can&#8217;t find the example you mention, could you be more specific?</p>
<p>As I understand it there is no new law being drafted, they are repealing a section of the law because it had let serious offenders off the hook.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/campaigns/section59/" rel="nofollow">Green party post their policy here.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on New Zealanders petition for the right to hit their children by Andy</title>
		<link>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://rowanwernham.com/blog/2008/02/28/new-zealanders-petition-for-the-right-to-hit-their-children/#comment-3</guid>
		<description>You said... "The bill is not about smacking. It is about belting and beating."

So why was the bill referred to as the "Anti-Smacking Bill" on the Green's website?  Read the law - it outlaws smacking in any degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said&#8230; &#8220;The bill is not about smacking. It is about belting and beating.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why was the bill referred to as the &#8220;Anti-Smacking Bill&#8221; on the Green&#8217;s website?  Read the law - it outlaws smacking in any degree.</p>
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